Interferogram from Alos palsar 1.1 data


#122

ASF. This is why I expected the orbit files as a potential error source at first.


#123

Dear all,

I have also downloaded the images from ASF and this is what I have got after processing them (no deskewing applied)

From right to left: 1)coherence ; 2) Pure interferogram (Ref phase and Topo included) 3) Interferogram after Ref Phase removal (Flat-Earth removed) and; 4) Interferogram after Ellipsoid and Topo Phase removal.
There is almost no difference between 3 and 4, that could be due to low topography variation as it is a flat area (delta)

Hence, these diagonal fringes either:

  1. are due to wrong orbit informaiton
  2. wrong ellipsoid removal

I have always understood that ALOS-1 had good orbit information and it was not needed to do any orbit modification and hence I would say that SNAP does something weird during the ellipoid removal when using ALOS-1 PALSAR data. Can any of you check this out @lveci or @marpet?

It could be also that in this particular image pair anything else happened…

Just wait for @EJFielding results to understand whether this is a software-related effect . I look forward to it.


#124

This is what I got from DIAPASON applied to a Sentinel-1 pair:

Inteferogram (no unwrapping)

Coherence

You see a few fringes but not thoughout the whole area. Coherence is low


#125

Screenshot please? I cannot see it :frowning:


#126

I updated the post.


#127

I think I have finally got it!
You really need to change the standard parameters for the Flat-Earth removal step, selecting maximum polynomial degree and points, and the result is as the one in the figure:

This figure shows: multilooked HH coherence (right) and multilooked phase (left) after Flat-Earth removal

Still clearly visible a trend on the phase due to as @EJFielding mentioned, ionospheric artifact strongly present at lower frequencies as L-band


#128

Yes! This now looks like classic ionospheric waves. These short spatial-scale waves are difficult to correct in ALOS data, especially the low bandwidth FBD data that we have for this pair.

I will try the ISCE processing a little later today.


#129

Thank you for your response, @ABraun. I understand that I:

Further, I looked into the link you sent in this post:

and have understood the problem.


#130

Dear @ABraun, @mdelgado, and @EJFielding , thank you for taking out time to analyse the problem I have been facing and helping me out in such an in depth manner. I shall forever be indebted to you all. :slightly_smiling_face: I understand that this has been a strenuous process but I am glad that you have found an answer to the problem and made my job easier! :smile:

But here I would like to ask a few questions. At first @ABraun, could you please tell me about DIAPSON processing? Secondly, @mdelgado what was the polynomial degree and the number of GCPS that you chose while working with the images?

I look forward for your response.


#131

Dear @ABraun, I got the answer to my question in the post above. :slight_smile:


#132

I ran the interferogram with the ISCE application stripmapApp, and the coherence looks very good everywhere except in the corner where there seems to be some agriculture. Here is the wrapped phase in radar coordinates.

Here is the wrapped phase geocoded.

The ionospheric correction estimate did not work very well due to the extensive water areas, but I think the remaining ramp of phase across the scene, about one fringe is likely ionosphere.


#133

Thank you very much @EJFielding for sharing the results with us. Indeed the results seem similar to what I have got, apart for the vertical stripes on my coherence results. Indeed ISCE shows very nice results, thanks again for helping us with this.

Myself while trying to go ahead with the TopoPhaseRemoval, I have identified and issue with SNAP. TopoPhase and elevation bands are shifted with respect to the InSAR results. See image below. Can you @lveci or @marpet open an issue for that? I think this is very important to solve it asap. Already some people approached me saying to had found something similar, specially in flat areas (also near Milan area happens). Thank you very much.


In the image: top row are the multilooked interferogram phase after TopoPhase Removal(left) and multilooked coherence (right). Bottom row are elevation (left) and topo phase (right). The shift are several kilometers (more than 20km in this case)!!!

Note: I have used SRTM DEM 1 Arc second


Problems producing interferograms with ALOS
#134

Steps:

  1. Read master and slave
  2. Create Stack :
    extent: Master
    resampling type: Bicubic interpolation
    initial offset method: orbit
  3. Cross-correlation
    fineRegistrationOversampling: 16
    only GCPsonLand: false
    gcpTolerance: 0.25
    fineRegistrationWindowWidth: 32
    fineRegistrationWindowAccAzimuth: 16
    fineRegistrationAccRange: 16
    rowInterpFactor : 4
    InSAROptimixed: true
    ApplyFineRegistration: true
    fineRegistrationWindowHeight: 64
    columnInterpFactor: 4
    maxIteration: 10
    coarseRegistrationWindowHeigth: 128
    numGCPtoGenerate: 10000
    coherenceThreshold: 0.6
    coherenceRegistrationWindowWidth: 128
  4. Warp:
    interpolationMethod: Cubic convolution (6 points)
    warpPolynomialOrder: 1
    rmsthreshold: 0.05
  5. Interferogram:
    substractFlatEarthPhase: true
    srpPolynomialDegree: 8
    srpNumberPoints: 1001
    orbitDegree: 5
    substractTopographicPhase : false (after seeing last post better not do it until solved)

I guess that some parameters had been exagerated, but I wanted to verify whether with SNAP we could solved the issues due mainly to, coregistration errors (causing low coherence at first instance) and secondly wrong FlatEarth estimated and removed, keeping finally the fringes due to ionospheric effects typical from L-band SAR systems.

After my last post, please verify always if topo phase is correctly removed. Seeing one of @Abraun posts it seem that the TerrainCorrection worked fine instead.

I hope this may help you.


#135

Thank you so much for helping me out, @mdelgado. Yes changing the parameters worked. But following the topographic phase removal, should I go for goldstein filtering, unwrapping, phase to displacement and then process it using doppler terrain correction at the end? If not, what should be the sequence now? Any of the parametric values need change?


#136

Dear @draco, I am glad that you now manage to compute interferograms with the ALOS data. Just to mentioned that after applying TopoPhaseRemoval, please check the TopoPhase and/or elevation band (check for including them in the output) to visually verify that DEM is correctly aligned (in my example SRTMDEM 1Arc it was not the case). If TopoPhaseRemoval works just fine, the following steps are the ones you mentioned, but I would suggest to compute the plane that fits the ionospheric related phase contribution and remove it, otherwise your main contribution will not be only subsidence, but ionosphere related phase)

Another option would be to produce all the interferograms and try to proceed with PSI or SBAS techniques. Currently SNAP is compatible with StaMPS PSI but for that you need many interferograms to achieve good results (>20 interferograms are recommended).

Good luck! And let us know


#137

Thank you so much @mdelgado. I read your message today :yum: I tried the SRTM 1 arc second in my case also. So when I opened the topo phase in the output it turned out beautifully! But once I do the displacement the resultant image is horrible!! Just similar random shades like before (post 56 below) !!

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I do not understand why the displacement looks so weird! I have no clue. :frowning:

And yes I wanted to process my images in this way. Could you please suggest a tutorial or a pdf where the steps are given?

Looking forward for your help. :slight_smile:


#138

Please carefully reads this post: About the STaMPS category


#139

you should compute the ramp related to the ionospheric contribution of the phase and remove it. The real deformation should be related to the remaining phase and not the one you show there.


#140

Thank you for your response @ABraun. Are the steps applicable for Alos images?


#141

I haven’t tested it, should be possible. But you need at least 25 images.